[DCRM-L] Folded tables

[Robert Steele]

Thanks, Deborah. That's what I have always done in the past, and it
certainly simplifies cataloging. I guess I was overthinking.

Somehow, I have trouble thinking of gatherings printed on each side of each
leaf in the normal way as "plates" except by definition, and I wonder if
users of our records think of them as "plates." Cf. ABC of Book
Collecting: "Properly,
plates are whole-sheet illustrations, printed separatelyfrom the text ..."
On the other hand, I can't think of any other convenient way to treat
them.

(Bowers p. 242 ff "Folds inside the gathering" was what I was trying to
follow, then I ran up against the problem that the inserted folds were in a
different format from the rest of the text...)

Bob

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 4:55 PM Deborah J. Leslie <DJLeslie at folger.edu>
wrote:

> If the letterpress leaves are folded, they are, by definition, plates. So,
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> 300  62, [2] pages, [2] folded leaves of plates ; ǂc 20 cm (8vo)
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> 500  The folded plates consist of …
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> *Plate. A leaf that is chiefly or entirely non-letterpress, or a folded
> leaf of any kind, inserted with letterpress gatherings …
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> Deborah J Leslie, M.A., M.L.S. | Senior Cataloger | Folger Shakespeare
> Library | 201 East Capitol Street, S.E. Washington, DC 20003 |
> djleslie at folger.edu | www.folger.edu | Opinions her own
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> *From:* DCRM-L <dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> *On Behalf Of *Robert O.
> Steele
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 1 December, 2021 15:56
> *To:* dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] Folded tables
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> Or rather 300  62, [2] pages, [4] folded pages ; ǂc 20 cm (8vo)
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> Bob
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> On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 3:53 PM Robert O. Steele <rosteele2021 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Hello,
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> I know plates are supposed to be omitted from collation formulas, but what
> about unsigned letterpress gatherings with a format different from the rest
> of the work?
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> I'm cataloging a work consisting of 4 octavo gatherings, with 2 quarto
> "insertions". I would be tempted to call them "folded plates" except that
> they are not plates, but rather letterpress tables. Each insertion is a
> quarto bifolium printed with the same type and on the same paper as the
> rest, and each consisting of 4 distinct pages (the tables do not run across
> the fold). Since they are larger than the octavo gatherings, they are also
> folded up from the bottom.
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> The quarto bifolia are inserted in reasonable places in my copy, but I'm
> not sure where they were *intended* to be inserted, possibly inside the
> last blank leaf (at the end of the final page: "Suit le tableau ... etc.")
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> The simplest:
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> 62, [2] pages (8vo), [4] pages (4to)
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> Signatures: [1]⁸ 2-4⁸ (last leaf blank).
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> With a note explaining the quarto insertions.
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> But I'm not sure this is accurate.
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> I'm tempted by something more complicated such as:
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> Signatures: : [1]⁸ 2-3⁸ 4⁸ (4₇+chi-²chi²); last leaf blank.
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> Advice?
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> Robert Steele
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> GWU Law
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