[DCRM-L] Thanks (RE: DCRM-L Digest, Vol 114, Issue 3)

Fri Aug 7 12:17:34 MDT 2015

Hi Erin!

I was not sure when to use the 250 versus a general note. 
I read your comments and went back to the introductory remarks, and it is now much clearer for me!

Many thanks for your guidance :)

Marie-Chantal L'Ecuyer-Coelho
Bibliothécaire  
Direction du traitement documentaire des collections patrimoniales
Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec
2275, rue Holt
Montréal (Québec) H2G 3H1
Téléphone : 514-873-1101 poste 3730
mc.coelho at banq.qc.ca
www.banq.qc.ca

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 09:15:29 -0700
From: "Auyong, Dorothy" <dauyong at huntington.org>
To: DCRM Users' Group <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>
Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Printed albums
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Andrea,

The free roaming, uncontrolled terms I've seen for the bound blank music books are: "Composition notebook", "Musician's journal" -they're somewhat akin to blank artist sketchbooks and meant to be filled.

RBMS Paper thesaurus has

Music papers
Broader Term
Types of paper by uses or names<http://rbms.info/vocabularies/paper/tr21.htm>

But I'm not sure that fits your needs either.

As for the "Albooks", it's an interesting question. Are you saying the actual physical medium (i.e. the bound album with ruled pages) is clearly a step/grade or two up from an "exercise book" for practicing? That it's intended for more of a "finished" manuscript product?

I think when the autographic process was the primary means for individuals to produce text, music or graphics, there probably was a market to make nicer substrates for "clean-copies".  They're not "exercise books" because they were meant to be preserved and possibly shared with an audience.

Dorothy Auyong
Principal Catalog Librarian/Archivist
Henry E. Huntington Library
Acquistions Cataloging and Metadata Services dauyong at huntington.org

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Cawelti, Andrea
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 8:20 AM
To: 'dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu'
Cc: Wyssen, Susan F.
Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Printed albums

Thanks Ryan!  I'm not sure that Exercise books quite fits my needs though, as these albums are generally created by professionals in their fields.  What I guess I need is something between "album" and "notebook."  Albook?
andrea

From: Ryan Hildebrand [mailto:rhilde at uoregon.edu]
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 4:02 PM
To: 'dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu'
Cc: Cawelti, Andrea; Wyssen, Susan F.
Subject: RE: Printed albums

Hi Andrea,

With regard to ruled notebooks, you might consider the following:

RBMS Genre Terms thesaurus has Exercise books (Penmanship), SN: Use for books containing only blank, usually ruled pages, intended for a pupil's practice penmanship or calligraphy.

AAT has Exercise books, SN: Notebooks of usually ruled pages used by school children for the writing or drawing of exercises.

As for books of blank staff paper, I am at a loss.

Best,
Ryan

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Ryan Hildebrand
Authorities & Special Collections Cataloging Librarian University of Oregon Libraries
1299 University of Oregon
Eugene OR 97403-1299
(541) 346-1844

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Cawelti, Andrea
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Cc: Wyssen, Susan F. <swyssen at fas.harvard.edu<mailto:swyssen at fas.harvard.edu>>
Subject: [DCRM-L] Printed albums

Greetings, fellow genre term enthusiasts.  I often catalog manuscripts which have been written into printed albums, like printed music staves, or (19th cen.) ruled notebooks.  Does anyone have a suggestion for a genre term to use for these printed albums?  They frequently have a maker displayed prominently on the cover or inside the back cover, etc., and tend to be on good-quality paper.  They are not "commemorative" in any way, as several of the album terms in our thesaurus are.  Thoughts, suggestions, recriminations?
Grateful thanks,
Andrea
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(Ms.) Andrea Cawelti
Ward Music Cataloger
Houghton Library
Harvard University
Cambridge, MA  02138

Phone: (617) 495-8060
FAX: (617) 495-1376
E-mail: cawelti at fas.harvard.edu<mailto:cawelti at fas.harvard.edu>

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 17:46:57 +0000
From: Erin Blake <EBlake at FOLGER.edu>
To: DCRM Users' Group <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>
Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Question concerning the description of art
	prints in DCRM(G)
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This is a great example of "edition" in the bibliographic sense and "edition" in the printmaking sense partially coinciding. Rest assured that no matter what you decide, the cataloging police won't come after you: describing fine art prints in a system devised for modern books is never going to be straightforward. As long as you include all the relevant information somewhere, you're good to go.

Here's how I'd look at it:

Because the two editions (in the printmaking sense of 'print run') have different transcribed dates, they belong in different bibliographic records. (Prints in the edition of 15 have "83" on them; prints in the edition of 6 do not, so you conjectured [1983?] for a date -- this isn't a change to the matrix, but it is a change that affects the body of the description; don't forget the mandatory note on the source of the conjectured date).

Because there is no difference in the matrix, you wouldn't use the MARC 250: the prints are in the same "state" in the printmaking sense, and that's how DCRM(G) has defined use of Area 2.  Instead, you would use a combination of general notes and local notes to explain the differences:
500 __ $a ?dition tir?e ? 6 exemplaires.
595 __ $a Exemplaire de conservation num?rot?: 3/6

(Book people unfamiliar with the picture-world's usage of the terms edition, state, impression, and copy might be interested in a Folger blog post I wrote a while back: http://collation.folger.edu/2013/04/two-disciplines-separated-by-a-common-language/ )

-- Erin.

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From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of L'?cuyer-Coelho Marie-Chantal
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 12:13 PM
To: 'dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu'
Subject: [DCRM-L] Question concerning the description of art prints in DCRM(G)

Hi everyone :)

I am currently describing 3 prints, but I am not certain I did the right thing; that's why I was wondering if someone could tell me if what I did complies with the instructions in DCRM-(G) ...
All three prints are produced from the same matrix and are titled "Labyrinthes".
The first two proofs are printed in monochrome: one with blue ink, the other with magenta ink. They are numbered respectively 8/15 and 2/15 (from which I concluded they belonged to the same edition, even though they present colour variations).
The 3rd proof is also printed in one colour (green this time), and is numbered 1/6.

The proof numbered 8/15 et 2/15 were described in one single bib record (in AACR2).
I therefore decided to create a new record for the 3rd proof, and devised edition statements to distinguish each description.
In the first record, I wrote [Varied edition printed in 15 copies]; in the second [Edition printed in 6 copies].
Is this a "legitimate" way to proceed or should I describe all three proofs in one single bibliographic record?

Below are screenshots of my records (in French).

Many thanks for your kind help!

Marie-Chantal

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Marie-Chantal L'Ecuyer-Coelho
Biblioth?caire
Direction du traitement documentaire des collections patrimoniales Biblioth?que et Archives nationales du Qu?bec 2275, rue Holt Montr?al (Qu?bec) H2G 3H1 T?l?phone : 514-873-1101 poste 3730 mc.coelho at banq.qc.ca<mailto:mc.coelho at banq.qc.ca>
www.banq.qc.ca<http://www.banq.qc.ca/>

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