[DCRM-L] 510 citation form for record in British Library online catalog

[Manon Theroux]

Richard,

To clarify, the entry number in 510 $c that I used came from the MARC 001
system number (the "identifier") not a "DGM" number. My record does not
contain a DGM number.

In the record you cited for a Webster speech, the DGM number appears to
correspond to the system number of a related record:

http://primocat.bl.uk/F/?func=direct&local_base=PRIMO&doc_number=003873291&format=001&con_lng=eng

I didn't have any questions about the 510 $c, just the $a and $u.

Manon



On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Noble, Richard <richard_noble at brown.edu>
wrote:

> One hates to dispute the institution's own stated preference, but I doubt
> whether "Explore the British Library" has, by our standards, a terribly
> long future as a name for the catalogue. It's not really a title, just an
> invitation (or a command?)--by a bookish analogy, more like the sort of
> phrase you'd see on a dust cover. The thing seems to called "primocat", or
> perhaps "primocat.bl.uk", or "explore.bl.uk/primo_library", though it *is* quite
> sensibly designated "main catalogue", a more durable and informative term.
>
> But apart from that kind of fluff, what about the 510 subfield c? The
> "identifier" field contains the system number, e.g. "016905687" for *Mr.
> Webster's second speech on the Sub-Treasury Bill, delivered March 12, 1838*
> .
>
>
> http://primocat.bl.uk/F/?func=direct&local_base=PRIMO&doc_number=016905687&format=001&con_lng=eng
>
> Is that what one ought to cite? Then again, was Manon citing the number
> from the "DGM" field?
>
> At any rate, it doesn't seem possible to enter such values directly in
> Explore the British Library. Is there some sort of durable URL that would
> enable precise access to the description referred to by way of the 510? For
> online resources, a subfield u seems almost indispensable, assuming that
> it's not subject to change in the next database upgrade. That's the
> e-equivalent of an entry or page number.
>
> RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY
> BROWN UNIVERSITY  ::  PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912  ::  401-863-1187
> <Richard_Noble at Br <RICHARD_NOBLE at BROWN.EDU>own.edu>
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 7:06 AM, O'Brien, Iris <Iris.O'Brien at bl.uk> wrote:
>
>> Dear Manon,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have checked with our Primo Team and they would like our catalogue to
>> be cited as "Explore the British Library". Unfortunately, I didn't get a
>> reply about the permalink question from them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Iris
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Iris O'Brien
>> Early Printed Collections Cataloguing and Processing Manager
>> The British Library
>> St Pancras
>> 96 Euston Road
>> London
>> NW1 2DB
>> Tel.: +44 (0)20 7412 7731
>> E-mail: iris.o'brien at bl.uk
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] on
>> behalf of Manon Theroux [manon.theroux at gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* 22 September 2015 02:12
>> *To:* DCRM Revision Group List
>> *Subject:* [DCRM-L] 510 citation form for record in British Library
>> online catalog
>>
>> SCF has instructions for citing records in online catalogs at the bottom
>> of this page:
>> http://rbms.info/scf/working-principles/
>>
>> Here is the model I want to follow:
>> 510 4_ $a English short title catalogue, $c entry R202726 $u
>> http://estc.bl.uk/R202726
>>
>> Here is the record I want to cite:
>>
>> http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/dlDisplay.do?vid=BLVU1&afterPDS=true&institution=BL&docId=BLL01004839781
>>
>> Is the name of the catalog "Explore the British Library"?? Or maybe it's
>> "Main catalogue"??
>>
>> 510 4_ $a Explore the British Library, $c entry 004839781
>> vs.
>> 510 4_ $a British Library. Main catalogue, $c entry 004839781
>>
>> I took the 510 $c from the MARC 001 field, called the "Identifier" in the
>> public display.
>>
>> I'd like to add a 510 $u as well but the URL for the record is so long
>> and ugly. Is there an easy way to construct "Permalinks" for records in
>> this catalog?
>>
>> I'm not really familiar with Primo discovery layers ...
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Manon
>>
>> --
>> Manon Théroux
>> Head of Technical Services
>> U.S. Senate Library
>> Washington, DC 20510
>>
>>
>>
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